Monday, April 24, 2006

What Happened at Duke? - Newsweek

What Happened at Duke? - Newsweek Society - MSNBC.com

A lengthy article from Newsweek concerning the rape case at Duke University. The article purports to lay out what happened. What do you think?

6 Comments:

Blogger Greg L said...

This is a test post.

BTW, it seems to me that this lady was drugged by her assailants, but I don't recall reading anything about any drugs that might have been found in her system when she was examined by the nurse.

5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wally, D said:
I do not think she was drugged. If there was drug invloved it would have been discovered when she was examined by the nurse. To be candid, the whle issue is confusing. I will rather leave it for the justice system to deal with the intricacies not known to many of us. Let's keep our fingers crossed

6:52 PM  
Blogger Greg L said...

Wally, D said:
I do not think she was drugged. If there was drug invloved it would have been discovered when she was examined by the nurse. To be candid, the whle issue is confusing. I will rather leave it for the justice system to deal with the intricacies not known to many of us. Let's keep our fingers crossed.


Hey Wally. I got four posts from you. I had a comment moderation feature turned on which allows me to review posts before they appear. I've disabled that feature, so everyone's posts should now appear immediately.

The courtroom is normally the ideal place where that the facts come out and are vetted. Unfortunately, the defense has been attempting to hold the trial in the media by loudly proclaiming that their "evidence" exonerates the accused. The prosecution on the other hand has remained silent. My reading of the defense's position is that their guys are innocent as opposed to denying that an incident of some sort occurred. The point is that we really aren't supposed to "hear" anything but the fact is that we're hearing from one side in the media which does raise some concern about justice ultimately being served.

The media and others have been able to secure information and put it out there selectively as evidenced by the article that's the subject of this post. I referring to the suggestion in that article that the other dancer that's come forward has done so for some nefarious purpose.

Let's assume that the victim was drunk rather than drugged. Don't you think that fact would have been blasted over the airwaves by now? The fact that it hasn't makes me suspect that she was not inebriated.

8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Rush Limbaugh's statements about this stripper. She just drank too much.

Probably just another Twanna if you ask me.

8:52 PM  
Blogger Greg L said...

From Anonymous:

I agree with Rush Limbaugh's statements about this stripper. She just drank too much....Probably just another Twanna if you ask me.

Like I said, I'm committed to free speech and non-censorship. For the record however, let's make sure everyone knows what Limbaugh said. Here's a quote:

"During an on-air discussion with a caller, Limbaugh said that former Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton was "trying to figure out how he can get involved in the deal down there at Duke where the lacrosse team ... supposedly, you know, raped some, uh, hos." Limbaugh's made the comment about a recent incident in Durham, North Carolina, in which an exotic dancer was allegedly raped by three members of the Duke lacrosse team."

If you want to hear what he said, cut and paste this address into your web browser.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200604030004

If I were you, I'd reconsider letting Limbaugh form the basis for your opinions.

9:50 PM  
Blogger Greg L said...

Wally D, thanks for your comments. My response is in bold below:

It appears many people jumped the gun on this issue. As a result, it has become a race war. Many claimed this is the usual pattern of the Ivy league schools sport team and other fraternities that abuses women of color.

I wouldn't characterize this as a race war in any sense. There's been no violence that's arisen due to this event. While there are issues of class and privilege associated with this case, I don't believe that anyone I've read has suggested that ivy league fraternities are out to abuse women of color. Personally, I wouldn't suggest that's a pattern at all.

The fact that the prosecution is quiet is kind of scary considering the fact that the prosecution is good at leaking information concerning the facts of the case

I think the prosecution is doing what it should be doing--not leaking and not attempting to try the case in the media. I believe if the defense was doing the same, we could probably establish a basis for not tainting potential jurors and etc. The purpose of leaks is to shape public opinion in advance of the trial--something that's really not part of the legal system. That's really where my problem with this case begins.

This is my take; let us all sheath our swords and wait for our legal system to take its course.

Ultimately we all have to await the results of the judicial system however, it must be noted that not everyone has his sword in its sheath. A case in point being the references in the article impugning the integrity of the second dancer (who now believes that the victim was raped and hence is a potential witness for the prosecution) by bringing up a prior arrest that has absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand. If everyone has his sword sheathed, impugning the integrity of potential witnesses before a trial is even held is not something that should be done. Fairness and truth are always predicated on everyone reserving judgement before the facts are vetted. Clearly, that has not occurred here.


If this guys were proven to be guilty, let them rot in jail; but if it is proven that they knew nothing about the case, she should not go free

Now this is where we agree, particularly if the victim is found to have lied.

9:22 PM  

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